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	<title>Comments on: Is the Adobe AIR &quot;Install Now&quot; Badge on Web Pages a Bad Idea?</title>
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		<title>By: Flex Studio&#187; Blog 存档 AIR Express Install Badge [在线安装AIR]</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flex Studio&#187; Blog 存档 AIR Express Install Badge [在线安装AIR]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 04:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 安全 AIR Express Install Badge http://www.simplifiedchaos.com/2007/09/07/is-the-adobe-air-install-now-badge-on-web-pages-a-bad-idea...  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 安全 AIR Express Install Badge <a href="http://www.simplifiedchaos.com/2007/09/07/is-the-adobe-air-install-now-badge-on-web-pages-a-bad-idea... " rel="nofollow">http://www.simplifiedchaos.com/2007/09/07/is-the-adobe-air-install-now-badge-on-web-pages-a-bad-idea&#8230; </a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Adobe AIR 在线安装（AIR Express Install Badge） &#124; 无雨之城</title>
		<link>http://www.simplifiedchaos.com/2007/09/07/is-the-adobe-air-install-now-badge-on-web-pages-a-bad-idea/comment-page-1/#comment-194</link>
		<dc:creator>Adobe AIR 在线安装（AIR Express Install Badge） &#124; 无雨之城</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 01:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &amp;entryId=BB5967F0-3048-7802-93A814E581EB8CEB ■ 从安全角度看 AIR Express Install Badge :  http://www.simplifiedchaos.com/2 &#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &amp;entryId=BB5967F0-3048-7802-93A814E581EB8CEB ■ 从安全角度看 AIR Express Install Badge :  <a href="http://www.simplifiedchaos.com/2" rel="nofollow">http://www.simplifiedchaos.com/2</a> &#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Y-boy.cn</title>
		<link>http://www.simplifiedchaos.com/2007/09/07/is-the-adobe-air-install-now-badge-on-web-pages-a-bad-idea/comment-page-1/#comment-178</link>
		<dc:creator>Y-boy.cn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 07:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am chinese , but, I feel the install badges  is very convenience...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am chinese , but, I feel the install badges  is very convenience&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: milan</title>
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		<dc:creator>milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 08:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a interesting problem and I was thinking about this many times, and also believe that Adobe people were. AIR is quite a revolutionary thing and we&#039;ll see if time for such a revolution has come or not :) So, I see the problem of RIA&#039;s and AIR apps like this: Flex is such a good and free thing that a lot of web developers will use it easily. I mean someone who can produce web page (and this is a big crowd of people) can produce also a flex RIA and with AIR it can produce also a desktop application.  But, do I want to install some web page on my desktop? NO. 
The web is going to change, users are going to change their habits, suddenly people will became honest and will not try(again and again) to access my hard disc? NO. So I see quite a long process from security point of view to gain ubiquity with AIR. I want to believe different, but the facts says this. 
I think the best way is to make online version of application, and when will users have enough confidence in authors and application as such, they will install it.
My 0.2 $</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a interesting problem and I was thinking about this many times, and also believe that Adobe people were. AIR is quite a revolutionary thing and we&#8217;ll see if time for such a revolution has come or not :) So, I see the problem of RIA&#8217;s and AIR apps like this: Flex is such a good and free thing that a lot of web developers will use it easily. I mean someone who can produce web page (and this is a big crowd of people) can produce also a flex RIA and with AIR it can produce also a desktop application.  But, do I want to install some web page on my desktop? NO.<br />
The web is going to change, users are going to change their habits, suddenly people will became honest and will not try(again and again) to access my hard disc? NO. So I see quite a long process from security point of view to gain ubiquity with AIR. I want to believe different, but the facts says this.<br />
I think the best way is to make online version of application, and when will users have enough confidence in authors and application as such, they will install it.<br />
My 0.2 $</p>
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		<title>By: taude</title>
		<link>http://www.simplifiedchaos.com/2007/09/07/is-the-adobe-air-install-now-badge-on-web-pages-a-bad-idea/comment-page-1/#comment-153</link>
		<dc:creator>taude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 22:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jim, I think Adobe will award us with a flexible install solution, especially based on reading their FAQ (see my comment above).

I&#039;m pretty confident that it&#039;ll be wide open in distributing their runtime.  It&#039;s in their interest to have that runtime everywhere, and in their interest to have us developers pushing their platform.  Not to mention every other company&#039;s toolset I&#039;ve ever used for creating desktop applications has included a pretty much free-range of installation options and licensing terms.  I&#039;m not expecting Adobe to be any exception to this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jim, I think Adobe will award us with a flexible install solution, especially based on reading their FAQ (see my comment above).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty confident that it&#8217;ll be wide open in distributing their runtime.  It&#8217;s in their interest to have that runtime everywhere, and in their interest to have us developers pushing their platform.  Not to mention every other company&#8217;s toolset I&#8217;ve ever used for creating desktop applications has included a pretty much free-range of installation options and licensing terms.  I&#8217;m not expecting Adobe to be any exception to this.</p>
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		<title>By: taude</title>
		<link>http://www.simplifiedchaos.com/2007/09/07/is-the-adobe-air-install-now-badge-on-web-pages-a-bad-idea/comment-page-1/#comment-152</link>
		<dc:creator>taude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 21:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Max...ahh, yes, the old days of Java applets.  I haven&#039;t seen a java applet since maybe around 2001?  I haven&#039;t allowed applets to run inside my browser since around the same time.  Mostly because they seem to always hang the browser while they loaded.

We&#039;re expecting more from Adobe, as they did deliver on the great, safe, sand-boxed functionality in Flash (minus a few issues).  Also, I&#039;m not really aware of much damage a Java applet would cause in a browser these days because of sandboxing...though maybe they have some form of elevated privileges that will install applications...which is probably bad?  I don&#039;t really know.  Does anyone even use that technology anymore?  (I can think of one enterprise-class application at the moment that does.)  Maybe I&#039;m wrong, though, and there&#039;s a whole secret society on the web still using Java applets.  Maybe taking another lesson from Java&#039;s one-click install, I remember trying this out several years ago, since we don&#039;t see it on the web, maybe it&#039;s accepted that it&#039;s just a bad idea?  Who knows?
   What Max reminds me of, and why I&#039;m hammering home user perception so much, is an import point:  we don&#039;t want AIR to become a nuisance technology that people turn-off because of a few bad user experiences (and badge installs enable this potential because people will associate installing a bad application with the Adobe AIR runtime and therefore ban the,).  Max pointed out that  Java applets have a lot of access that this should be a good thing.  I&#039;ll point out out that I have the JAVA plugin disabled in my browser.  We don&#039;t want that for AIR&#039;s future because of a few rogue applications.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Max&#8230;ahh, yes, the old days of Java applets.  I haven&#8217;t seen a java applet since maybe around 2001?  I haven&#8217;t allowed applets to run inside my browser since around the same time.  Mostly because they seem to always hang the browser while they loaded.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re expecting more from Adobe, as they did deliver on the great, safe, sand-boxed functionality in Flash (minus a few issues).  Also, I&#8217;m not really aware of much damage a Java applet would cause in a browser these days because of sandboxing&#8230;though maybe they have some form of elevated privileges that will install applications&#8230;which is probably bad?  I don&#8217;t really know.  Does anyone even use that technology anymore?  (I can think of one enterprise-class application at the moment that does.)  Maybe I&#8217;m wrong, though, and there&#8217;s a whole secret society on the web still using Java applets.  Maybe taking another lesson from Java&#8217;s one-click install, I remember trying this out several years ago, since we don&#8217;t see it on the web, maybe it&#8217;s accepted that it&#8217;s just a bad idea?  Who knows?<br />
   What Max reminds me of, and why I&#8217;m hammering home user perception so much, is an import point:  we don&#8217;t want AIR to become a nuisance technology that people turn-off because of a few bad user experiences (and badge installs enable this potential because people will associate installing a bad application with the Adobe AIR runtime and therefore ban the,).  Max pointed out that  Java applets have a lot of access that this should be a good thing.  I&#8217;ll point out out that I have the JAVA plugin disabled in my browser.  We don&#8217;t want that for AIR&#8217;s future because of a few rogue applications.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Hayes</title>
		<link>http://www.simplifiedchaos.com/2007/09/07/is-the-adobe-air-install-now-badge-on-web-pages-a-bad-idea/comment-page-1/#comment-151</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Hayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 21:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;If you have ever had to explain to someone, that they need to go download a “runtime” from somewhere, then download and install your app, you would see the glazed look on the end-users face.

I&#039;ve just been there myself (yesterday), with some close colleagues who are damn smart guys and an integral part of our product team.
They really didn&#039;t want to know until I made an air badge for them, and they are not exactly average users (being quite happy to code scripts in python and c++ to control all their graphics renders, run their own render farm etc).

I actually agree with this post though, I do shout at people if I see them installing/running apps from a web page.
It&#039;s a difficult subject, and not a new one! 
Personally I&#039;m aiming for a local disk (either downloaded installer or one provided on plastic disk) based install including runtime for distribution, though I&#039;m still rather unclear on how much help I may get from adobe in this respect. I am planning to have to roll my own installer as a worst case scenario, always assuming that the AIR licence will allow distribution of the runtime (again I&#039;m unclear on this, and not encouraged by the flash player redistribution terms).
It&#039;s a deal breaker for me, on which i&#039;m placing a (hopefully not unwise) large amount of faith in Adobe...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;If you have ever had to explain to someone, that they need to go download a “runtime” from somewhere, then download and install your app, you would see the glazed look on the end-users face.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve just been there myself (yesterday), with some close colleagues who are damn smart guys and an integral part of our product team.<br />
They really didn&#8217;t want to know until I made an air badge for them, and they are not exactly average users (being quite happy to code scripts in python and c++ to control all their graphics renders, run their own render farm etc).</p>
<p>I actually agree with this post though, I do shout at people if I see them installing/running apps from a web page.<br />
It&#8217;s a difficult subject, and not a new one!<br />
Personally I&#8217;m aiming for a local disk (either downloaded installer or one provided on plastic disk) based install including runtime for distribution, though I&#8217;m still rather unclear on how much help I may get from adobe in this respect. I am planning to have to roll my own installer as a worst case scenario, always assuming that the AIR licence will allow distribution of the runtime (again I&#8217;m unclear on this, and not encouraged by the flash player redistribution terms).<br />
It&#8217;s a deal breaker for me, on which i&#8217;m placing a (hopefully not unwise) large amount of faith in Adobe&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 20:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But you have seen Java applets once or twice in your life? These are potentialy dangerous applications that will simply run directly inside the page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But you have seen Java applets once or twice in your life? These are potentialy dangerous applications that will simply run directly inside the page.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris S</title>
		<link>http://www.simplifiedchaos.com/2007/09/07/is-the-adobe-air-install-now-badge-on-web-pages-a-bad-idea/comment-page-1/#comment-149</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 19:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m confident that of all the aspects of AIR, the installation process will be spot on and painless just like Adobe Reader is commonplace these days. Adobe is well aware that their name is on the wrapper and will make every effort to make a pleasing experience with both the devlopers and end users in mind.

 Don&#039;t forget AIR is beta. I wholly expect major changes to the install process the nearer they get to 1.0 and I&#039;m personally not  using the badges simply because they may or may not even be the same when it&#039;s all said and done. I know they work...I have installed apps that use them and had no issues (unless Moviestar was installed) but haven&#039;t personally used them for my AIR code and will most likely wait till the upcoming next release to see what the deal is (just personal preference but none of it being security based issues or bad experiences or the like).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m confident that of all the aspects of AIR, the installation process will be spot on and painless just like Adobe Reader is commonplace these days. Adobe is well aware that their name is on the wrapper and will make every effort to make a pleasing experience with both the devlopers and end users in mind.</p>
<p> Don&#8217;t forget AIR is beta. I wholly expect major changes to the install process the nearer they get to 1.0 and I&#8217;m personally not  using the badges simply because they may or may not even be the same when it&#8217;s all said and done. I know they work&#8230;I have installed apps that use them and had no issues (unless Moviestar was installed) but haven&#8217;t personally used them for my AIR code and will most likely wait till the upcoming next release to see what the deal is (just personal preference but none of it being security based issues or bad experiences or the like).</p>
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		<title>By: taude</title>
		<link>http://www.simplifiedchaos.com/2007/09/07/is-the-adobe-air-install-now-badge-on-web-pages-a-bad-idea/comment-page-1/#comment-148</link>
		<dc:creator>taude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 19:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Joshua, I bet we were reading that right about the same time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Joshua, I bet we were reading that right about the same time!</p>
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